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112 minutes ago

zaptersz

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オサナナブルー

Last Note. feat. GUMI
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3 hours ago

MoveForward

I wouldn't mind removing some of the tags by hand, whether it just be in those cases where I happen to come across a song that has it, or just removing the tag from a bunch of songs.
But I'm glad to have an answer as for why I couldn't put the tag into a song entry when I tried.

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6 hours ago

riipah

The tag shouldn't be used for songs. I guess it does no harm where it's already applied, although it's not necessary. There's a lot of those songs, at least it doesn't make sense to start removing the tags by hand.

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8 hours ago

MoveForward

Ahh, okay. So songs no longer use that tag, then? I see. Thanks!
So, would getting rid of the tag on songs that already have it be a good idea?

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9 hours ago

riipah

For songs it's redundant because there's already a search option for "no original media". I guess it could be used for albums...?

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9 hours ago

MoveForward

Can I set the validity for this tag to songs and albums as well? It's set for just artists right now.

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3 hours ago

kanerin

sorry guys. I'll never remove any original song or remix, cover in the future.

I got trouble with korean vocaloid. so i remove all of my korean vocaloid things.

I don't use korean vocaloid anymore. and sorry I can't speak english

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29 hours ago

riipah

Whenever possible, I encourage communication. If you can, ask the artist why they want the song to be deleted. Explain to them why you would like it to be kept. Maybe they didn't consider that there's people who like that song, and would like it to stay here. In this particular case I messaged the artist when they posted those requests, and am still waiting for their reply.

I understand your concern, but over the 7 years, we have had like 3 cases where the artist has asked us to delete songs. It happens very rarely, and usually it can be avoided by talking.

Obviously, if no one requests the song to be deleted, and it has likes/songlists here, then by default we would keep it.

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29 hours ago

rm_

we will comply most of the time, especially if they ask nicely.

I would propose that any deletion is blocked if the song is liked or favorited by any user, or is on any personal lists.

Or a notification system is implemented to notify those users that the song they have marked is going to be removed from the site.

Nothing more annoying than for stuff you thought you "have" (either in favorites or some kind of a list) to silently disappear without trace.

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31 hours ago

riipah

For context, see this artist page.

When artist (or another content creator) asks their work to be deleted from VocaDB

I want to point out that the policies on Wikipedia and other encyclopedias are very clear. I will quote the metal archives:

Q: Please delete my band(s) from your site. I don't want this information to appear on your website.
We will not.

If you feel that there are too many errors or inaccuracies on the page, we will be more than happy to correct them. Just use the "report an error" button on the band page and detail the corrections you need, and a moderator or veteran user will take care of it.

But unless your band(s) don't follow our rules, we will not delete it just to please you. There is no copyright on publicly available information, and that's all we're reprinting. If you don't want your presence to be known on the Internet, there is a very simple solution: don't form a band, and don't release anything! Chances are that if you do, someone will hear about it, and might mention you to someone else, and so on, until someone with an Internet connection decides to add your band information to the Archives.

Wikipedia's policy is similar: the subject of the content has no say in how it should be presented, as long as the information is or has been publicly available.

Keeping that in mind, we don't need or want to be as strict. *VocaDB exists for the producers as well.* If the artist wants the pages (songs, albums, their artist page) gone, we will comply most of the time, especially if they ask nicely. Not because we have the legal obligation, but because we want to be nice to them. Specific pieces of information such as artist's old names can be removed if the artist themselves has removed them from all official content, including old video uploads.

The editors/moderators here have absolutely no obligation to make sure that the deleted content isn't re-added by someone else. As an editor, everything you add here you're adding out of your own free will. You're not working for VocaDB. If it bothers you that that an artist is deleting entries that you added/edited, then just don't add any more songs by that artist. That's all you can do, and you're not obligated to do anything more. Most of the songs will never be deleted by the artist anyway, and out of those that are, even then majority of them don't care that the information is still here on VocaDB.

I also want to point out that majority of VocaDB's policies are based on other similar websites: Wikipedia, Metal archives, vgmdb, Discogs, Musicbrainz. I didn't make them up myself, I looked up how others are doing it. Constructive discussions are always appreciated, just stick to the facts and research for examples on other websites.

When no one asks a song to be deleted, but the artist has deleted all uploads and references related to that song

If the song entry has no PVs, no likes, no lists and no albums here on VocaDB, then it's safe to delete it. Otherwise we prefer keeping the entry.

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6 hours ago

Nefere

@Mister_Tsar The crossfade description explains that songs on the album are fan-made.

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7 hours ago

Mister_Tsar

Are the producers or songs officially related to Sword Art Online or Accell World?

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Human Beings Were Led to This Light

Taishi, Allium Project feat. various
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11 hours ago

MoveForward

Okay, I can edit to the description of the explicit lyrics tag and add that it covers profanity in lyrics. Thanks!

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11 hours ago

riipah

I think the explicit lyrics tag covers that. If necessary, an alias or child tag can be added.

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12 hours ago

MoveForward

Do we have a tag for songs that have profanity/cursing in the lyrics? Or would that just be the mature content or explicit lyrics tags?

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11 hours ago

musono

初音ミクじゃないかもしれない 歌愛ユキかも・・

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Somnia

Puhyuneco feat. 初音ミク
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12 hours ago

MoveForward

Should the other Youtube upload be in Original Media? It's uploaded on the producer's channel.

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Manqué

S.O.U.L., UTAU HUMAN PROJECT feat. MEIKO V3 (English)
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25 hours ago

ayuumii

@Kyu Turtle oh, my bad

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25 hours ago

KyuTurtle

@ayuumii the YT upload isn't a reprint. the NND upload's description says this is a collaboration with Pentel, who appears to be the uploader of the YT video.

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絵の上手かった友達

ピノキオP feat. 初音ミク
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29 hours ago

riipah

As for whether it should be done: if there's good descriptions for both genres, they're different enough and people will be able to differentiate between them, then yes they should be separate. I'm still not quite sure about the differences. Wikipedia calls the definition of contemporary folk "vague and variable". Personally I probably wouldn't know when to use which tag.

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31 hours ago

goldenchild

@d_dd : do what you think is correct, if there are two tags, there is a good reason for that, please do it

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44 hours ago

d_dd

Some of you may remember that a couple months ago, the Folk song and Ethnic tags were merged.

Unfortunately, in Japanese, Folk song (フォークソング) means Contemporary Folk ("CF"), which is quite far from the ethnic folk song genre. Because the tags were not translated correctly many CF songs were tagged with the "Folk song" tag by Japanese users before the merge. I am not sure what the ethnic and folk song tag usage was like before the merge.

Merges cannot be undone, but thankfully, @musono has a large list of both folk/ethnic and CF songs.
http://vocadb.net/L/2399 (Ethnic)
http://vocadb.net/L/2428 (Contemporary Folk)

Also, Nico has tags such as ボカロフォーク and 初音フォークジャンボリー which we can use to decide which song entries to apply the CF tags to. I believe there are fewer CF songs than ethnic songs on VocaDB.

A CF tag already exists on the site https://vocadb.net/T/6379/contemporary-folk so we can use that for this.

I would like to propose to replace folk-song tags to CF for all the songs in musono's CF list, and also tag song entries according to Nico's CF tags.

But since I am not very good with genres I would like feedback on the list and the Nico tags from other users.

What I think is correct:
Tag #1: Folk song (folk, ethnic) = 民族調曲
Tag #2: Contemporary Folk = フォークソング

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31 hours ago

riipah

I posted my response in the discussion area. Feel free to continue the discussion about content policies there, if necessary.

As Shiroizu said, the old name should be restored, unless the artist makes sure that name isn't visible on any of their official content, such as YouTube uploads.

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33 hours ago

MelonDreza

@Damianne_Violet I said that because he was arguing about how annoying it is to edit stuff and deal with things like this producer, I answered that it's our job and if he doesn't want to do it, he should leave. It's just a conclusion...it is nowhere an assult or anythign like that, seriously guys.

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33 hours ago

Shiroizu

@Damianne_Violet: I think his original name should be left here just like we do with any other artist that changes their name.

I agree with this. The name is visible in the PVs anyway: http://vocadb.net/S/137150

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34 hours ago

Damianne_Violet

It is correct that if an artist asks for things removed, we should remove them. They're not obligated to make accounts. We're also not obligated to leave just because we disagree with how an entry should be dealt with. That's what civil discussion is for. I think his original name should be left here just like we do with any other artist that changes their name. But @jakegaslamp has a point that if the songs are reuploaded, we should reconsider if we want to focus efforts on adding them.

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34 hours ago

jakegaslamp

@MelonDreza Of course I did since you are attempting to frame this discussion as an argument and if you want to portray my discussion as an argument, then I might as well get rid of it because it clearly isn't serving it's original purpose.

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34 hours ago

MelonDreza

ofc he deleted every comment lol

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34 hours ago

MelonDreza

@jakegaslamp if it bothers you to edit stuff on this site then leave. It's our job to clearify things and delete songs...cough

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35 hours ago

MelonDreza

but if the producer himself asks for songs to be deleted we have to do that. It's not our work it's his so we have to follow what he wants...

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37 hours ago

MelonDreza

This producer mentioned as a report that he wants some songs to be deleted so I did that for him. I'm not sure about the other songs tho..

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34 hours ago

Vocafan

Well from what I remember the last time I saw the video was 5 years ago. The background was blank she has a bored face while singing and floating. It did sound like it had a pop sound to it.

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37 hours ago

MelonDreza

was only miku singing? if so, can you describe more of her outfit and the surroundings if you remember? Also, it's important to know the genre as Shiro said. Could it be electropop or pop or something calm? Did it look like MikuMikuDance animation or was it different. With small details I/we might be able to find it.

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43 hours ago

Shiroizu

I tried searching for it, but couldn't find anything. Can you give more details of the PV/Song? For example:

Song genre/theme
MMD model?
Other PV Details

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44 hours ago

Vocafan

I'll start by describeing the video I once watched on YouTube a while back. It had shown Miku in a white sweater. She was floating and there were other floating objects around her as well. The video was in 3D animation. It looked very nice. I remember the song going by the name of Wander Games. And that is all I can recall from my memory. I tried looking for it for a housand times but can't seem to find it anty where. It must have been taken down from YouTube. :'V

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41 hours ago

revoltingly

no problem, shes been removed and a mismatching vocalist pv tag has been added.

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41 hours ago

riipah

Artist credits are only for vocals, so here IA should not be credited.

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2 days ago

revoltingly

@riipah shes not, but her model is used, which is why i put her in brackets. not sure if that was the right thing to do

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2 days ago

riipah

@revoltingly: is IA singing?

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トゥインクル×トゥインクル

trria feat. 初音ミク, 巡音ルカ
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2 days ago

mi.chan

@goldenchild It was even linked to the other entry. So yeah, these two were almost undoubtedly duplicates. Playing safe never hurts, though :)

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2 days ago

goldenchild

@mi.chan, you're surely right, i can't listen to differences with the bandcamp upload . try to listen to and merge if you think these are the same songs :)

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B.E.E.R.

マンボウ feat. 猫村いろは, 結月ゆかり
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2 days ago

mi.chan

Dubstep starts at 2:27, in case anyone wonders.

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私の好きな花

Hinoki feat. 初音ミク
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2 days ago

MoveForward

@goldenchild That sounds good!

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2 days ago

riipah

Yes, sounds good to me. Category should be "Event" instead of "Genres".

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2 days ago

goldenchild

@riipah @MoveForward : a tag for all entries will be enough imo, last year only 51 songs were tagged with this . Since it's a derivative of the a cappella tag . using ボカロアカペラフェス for the name of the tag and writting more details in the tag description, what do you think ? (note it's not only covers but original songs too)

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2 days ago

riipah

Perhaps a single tag would be the best solution, yes.

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2 days ago

MoveForward

Just one might be fine since the publish date will be on the song entry anyway.

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2 days ago

riipah

Hmh. If it's significant enough then having event entry is preferable. However, if it's small scale then a single tag for all songs published for that event (regardless of year) is enough. We don't want to end up with too many entries for virtual events. At least don't create tags for each year.

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2 days ago

MoveForward

Ah, the A cappella festival. I asked RazzyRu for some more info since Razz knows more about it than I do.
I'd say it's like a virtual event. It's like a week where producers upload covers (and originals) that are a capella.
This year it takes place from the 22nd to the 28th.

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2 days ago

goldenchild

all songs must use VOCALOID or UTAU、CeVIO、Sinsy、Alter/Ego and be a cappella

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